Yeah it’s more of a Brotp than an OTP. I think the reason I don’t have problems with shipping them romantically is that I love best friends falling in love. But it really depends on my mood- sometimes I’m just “UGH NO BEST FRIENDS GALLIVANTING ACROSS TIME AND SPACE FOREVER.” Their chemistry is amazing.
Honestly, Doctor, Donna, and River just traveling around in the TARDIS would be fantastic.
It really is. I do hope Moffat and company address it, but considering River appears so few times…. /sigh
I don’t know. Well that’s what fic is for. Filling in the missing pieces.
Oh god, yeah no more episodes with the vashta nerada please. I don’t want any of that nonsense. No thank you. Moffat how could you ruin the biggest library in the universe. How could you. I feel absolutely betrayed. (Haha you sound like my best friend, she’s craving angst right now. And angst is such a lovely, amazing thing <3)
(Absolutely. Like I have no problem with it- I’ve definitely written as polyamorous people and I enjoy it. As long as everybody is on board with it, I’m chill with it. If everybody is not, well… obviously that’s not chill. I mean I didn’t mean to imply it wasn’t romantic. Of course it is. As you said, it’s just different.)
Or ugh how about just River, Donna and Clara. River can fly the danged Tardis we can stick the Doctor with Donna’s grandpa for some catching up LOL (because I loved him to death.)
Speaking of companion relations I always kinda like. Wondered how. Amy and Rory’s friends and family dealt with them. You know randomly disappearing uh… esp Rory’s dad, I really liked him as a character.
That and I also just realized I have a slight issue with Clara - the Tardis doesn’t like her. Not to compare the Tardis to a dog but I mean it’s like having someone over whom your dog doesn’t like. It’s like. Maybe I should watch out around this person :/ I don’t think she’d ever intentionally bring the Doctor or the Tardis harm though so idk sigh and I do like her PERSONALITY, so yeah…
Also still kinda have this tiny hope that River’s gonna be a companion. I keep running into River haters though and it worries me, I wonder if they’re paying attention to that? I hope not LOL I don’t want them to be like eugh they hate River ok bye River.
(I’m like. Always craving angst LOL I’m such a sucker for it. And it’s all good, and yeah when not everyone is on board that’s. Definitely cheating which is not cool ever.)
really hoping that river’s offended look at clara’s assuming she was a guy is more bc ‘wtf are you talking about why would you not think I’m female/the doctor didn’t tell you I’m his wife do I need 2 slap him’ and less bc ‘bitch this is my man get off my territory yo’
As far as OTPs go, I honestly think Doctor/River is the only one for me, mostly because it’s really refreshing to see someone who is about on equal terms with him! It’s like. Well, I’ve only seen the newer series, but every ship so far has been oh doctor, you’re so much smarter than me, you’re so much better, please love me lah dee dah (obviously not quite that bad but you get my meaning) and with River.. obviously she hasn’t LIVED long enough to amass the kind of knowledge the Doctor has, but she has the POTENTIAL to amass that much knowledge, she appears to think as quickly as he does, she herself is part freaking time lord, and… it’s just nice to see a relationship that is a little more balanced? I guess I don’t really get intense otp feels or anything, it’s just… nice. It’s nice that there’s a ship available to me that puts the Doctor and his gal as equals (or potential equals.)
And ugh yeah, like… I guess? They both remember it? My thing is I’m not really looking for a ceremony, but the DOCTOR still doesn’t seem like he thinks of them as properly married. And that’s an issue, like. If they’re not gonna be married then so be it, but if they are, then jfc let them actually BE married and have both of them CONSENT to it before you kick River off of the show.
And I haven’t noticed the outfit, mostly because uhm. I saw Silence in the Library and then avoided it for the rest of my life because it scared the shit out of me LOL I’m kind of a huge scaredy cat, Doctor Who is about as horrific as I can get before I have to call it quits. But I did see her tombstone (or maybe not you can never be sure with Doctor Who) in the clip, so I’m assuming there’s something to do with her death or post-death. I mean she WAS saved in the computers at the Library, AND saved in The Doctor’s screwdriver, so if anything there’s still a digital copy to contend with. I may or may not look up that clip, part of me is inclined to avoid everything about it other than conversation so I don’t get myself even more hyped up haha.
And I hope they address that in the show in a not really obvious heavy handed way. Ugh I just… hope their meeting goes well in general haha I just. I can’t stand the idea of them writing River as jealous, it seems so out of character (and as someone who is polyamorous, it’s always felt a little insulting that it’s always ‘you have to choose one mate and one mate only’ in popular media.)
If I had to pick an OTP with the Doctor, it would probably be Doctor/Donna. Because I absolutely adored their relationship. Of course my problem with them is I go back and forth whether I ship it romantically or platonically or not. Of course, most of the fandom isn’t okay with their love being romantic, but meh. Each to their own. It’s similar to River/Doctor in that they’re equals. Donna is going to call him out on his shit and they’re always there to support each other. And she sort of gets him.
But I do like the fact that the Doctor & River are equals.
I guess they do, but it just felt sort of… open ended. The jump between The Wedding of River Song to Asylum of the Daleks was just…. insane. But yeah, some consent between the two of them would be lovely. Because at this point, River is obviously the one more invested than he is. Although he’s slowly sort of getting there? Angels Take Manhattan was definitely the strongest episode of their romantic relationship for me.
OH MY GOD. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOU. SILENCE OF THE LIBRARY SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME. THE VASHTA NERADA TO ME IS SCARIER THAN THE BLOODY WEEPING ANGELS. Because holy crap I’m totally not okay with the skeleton in an astronaut suit walking around going, “Who turned out the lights.” I’m not okay with that at all.
I’ll say this though, watching those episode after watching series 5 & 6 (especially 6!) made me weep like a baby. Because while I was sad the first time, I didn’t know River. I didn’t know who she was, what her story was.
But yeah, I’m assuming that River’s death will be mentioned.
I joked around with a friend last week that the River we see in the Name of the Doctor could possibly be a projection from the library. I actually really hope this is post library. ;~~;
Oh man, I was so conflicted… but like I was so impatient I decided to watch it anyway. Besides the thing I was most excited, besides finding out Clara’s secret is Clara and River finally meeting! I even considered watching it when it premiered in the UK, but meh. My best friend is coming over tomorrow and is planning on staying all day. I told her if she’s planning staying late we’re watching Doctor Who because I’ve waited long enough for this finale. Thing is she hasn’t seen anything past Angels Take Manhattan so we have to catch uppppppp. And we also want to catch up on Elementary.
I can’t stand the idea of River being jealous either. It’s just OOC in my opinion. (And that’s cool that you’re polyamorous Honestly I’m okay with the media portraying more of that…. especially with characters like the doctor who have long-lived lives. As romantic as sticking with one mate is, I think it’s much more interesting to have a multiple string of love interests)
Oh man I really really really loved the Doctor’s and Donna’s relationship… didn’t list it as an OTP because I like them to be 100% platonic, personally. She had SUCH great chemistry with 10, too.
And yeah ugh it’s like. Honestly the way their relationship has gone on so far is bothering me too, it just. Doesn’t feel 100% consensual on the Doctor’s end, it feels like he’s just going along because he knows she ends up important to him. And. That’s. Getting old, I kinda want it to either end or finally pick up (but not just… peter out you know? Or worse, just… stop happening with no explanation :/)
And urgh either way I really hope we don’t. Revisit. Scary Library at all LOL I don’t think I can handle anything else with the vashta nerada. I’ll probably watch it again sometime later when I’m feeling less jumpy though. (Now what I freakin want is his last meeting with her before she goes to the Library because I want sad stuff dangit.)
(Thanks! And it’d just be nice to like. Be portrayed normally for once LOL it’s honestly not that different from monogamy, it’s just that honesty and communication are even MORE important and there are… more… physical bodies… there… LOL. And can be just as romantic as monogamy, but definitely in a different way.)
Like there’s a fic where the Doctor takes Clara to a ball and she hits on all the ladies.
It would be so great sigh, it would completely kill all of the forced doctor/clara that’s been happening (I don’t mind doctor/clara but it does feel very forced and that’s what’s bothering me about it) and we’d have a lesbian MAIN character who is a human and likes humans and just. Yes. (Not that I’ve been dissatisfied with the gay representation in Doctor Who, I’m just always down for more LOL.)
Ergh, that and like. Honestly am I the only one a little like. Meh on The Doctor/19 year olds? I mean yeah obviously he’s gonna be older than anyone he gets with but what really bothered me with the Doctor/Amy/Rory love triangle was that when it went down Amy just… seemed like an immature 20-something. Which was great for her character, but not.. so great for Amy/Doctor, IMO. I just sort of… pretend the mother-in-law thing… isn’t… or I at least try not to think about that because that just adds an extra layer of weirdness to the whole thing :/ I remember being disappointed about River being Amy’s daughter more because I thought they were going to go somewhere less obvious with it…
And yeah, that’s the other thing, is that I have a lot of trouble imagining River being jealous! But they REALLY seem to be pushing Doctor/Clara… ugh. I guess we can just hope for the best there. I was super excited for the finale but a lot of people seem to see it as an exit for River, which is also really frustrating because we’re still missing a lot of character development from her and a lot of relationship development between her and the Doctor; I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Doctor act comfortable around River, yet she acts like she’s used to him being comfortable around her.
As for her not knowing about Clara… I sort of assumed she wasn’t mentioning her for the Doctor’s sake, spoilers and all. But then I also haven’t seen any trailers for the next episode aside from the teaser at the end of the credits of the last one.
I don’t really have OTP’s when it comes to the Doctor?
I agree, I mean the Doctor likes to play at being super immature- especially 11 in my opinion- but Amy was really immature. And you know, he originally wanted to travel with her when she 7. I had a friend who called 11 the pedo Doctor because he has this fixation on children. I’ve since come to terms with 11 as a Doctor.
Yeah it’s best not to think too hard about the mother-in-law thing because…. ugh ew gross, no thank you. And yeah I agree that it was super obvious. I kind of figured it all out early on. I mean I was okay with her being half time period. The daughter of his two traveling companions? Not so okay with.
OMG THANK YOU. Some people to portray River as super jealous, and while she is protective over him, I don’t think she would be upset if he had feelings for someone else. Honestly she’d waltz in and just make herself comfy and join in on the action. That’s how I think Rose/Doctor/River works.
I really hope this episode isn’t her final episode. Because I couldn’t agree, there really is so much left! I mean in my mind they aren’t even properly married. That was an alternate timeline that was destroyed- so it just really threw me off guard when in Angels Take Manhattan they were shoving the whole marriage thing down my throat. Like I’m not opposed to River/Doctor, but I would like it to be done properly. I want River & the Doctor to have a proper adventure without like some huge ridiculous stakes. Also River post-Ponds intrigues me greatly.
Also but is it just me but is her outfit in The Name of the Doctor really similar to the outfit she wears in the library?
Oh! There’s a clip where River & Clara meet for the first time- which is what I was essentially referring to in my original post.
Also, another thought, I think the juxtaposition between River and Clara is interesting. The Woman Born to Kill the Doctor. The Woman Born to Save the Doctor. Their roles are literally opposites.
As far as OTPs go, I honestly think Doctor/River is the only one for me, mostly because it’s really refreshing to see someone who is about on equal terms with him! It’s like. Well, I’ve only seen the newer series, but every ship so far has been oh doctor, you’re so much smarter than me, you’re so much better, please love me lah dee dah (obviously not quite that bad but you get my meaning) and with River.. obviously she hasn’t LIVED long enough to amass the kind of knowledge the Doctor has, but she has the POTENTIAL to amass that much knowledge, she appears to think as quickly as he does, she herself is part freaking time lord, and… it’s just nice to see a relationship that is a little more balanced? I guess I don’t really get intense otp feels or anything, it’s just… nice. It’s nice that there’s a ship available to me that puts the Doctor and his gal as equals (or potential equals.)
And ugh yeah, like… I guess? They both remember it? My thing is I’m not really looking for a ceremony, but the DOCTOR still doesn’t seem like he thinks of them as properly married. And that’s an issue, like. If they’re not gonna be married then so be it, but if they are, then jfc let them actually BE married and have both of them CONSENT to it before you kick River off of the show.
And I haven’t noticed the outfit, mostly because uhm. I saw Silence in the Library and then avoided it for the rest of my life because it scared the shit out of me LOL I’m kind of a huge scaredy cat, Doctor Who is about as horrific as I can get before I have to call it quits. But I did see her tombstone (or maybe not you can never be sure with Doctor Who) in the clip, so I’m assuming there’s something to do with her death or post-death. I mean she WAS saved in the computers at the Library, AND saved in The Doctor’s screwdriver, so if anything there’s still a digital copy to contend with. I may or may not look up that clip, part of me is inclined to avoid everything about it other than conversation so I don’t get myself even more hyped up haha.
And I hope they address that in the show in a not really obvious heavy handed way. Ugh I just… hope their meeting goes well in general haha I just. I can’t stand the idea of them writing River as jealous, it seems so out of character (and as someone who is polyamorous, it’s always felt a little insulting that it’s always ‘you have to choose one mate and one mate only’ in popular media.)
Anyone else upset that it appears that Doctor Who is going to go in the direction that River and Clara are going to form a slight rival over who “gets” the Doctor?
I’m not okay with this. Not at all.
Especially since I think River and Clara would be a brilliant pair.
Why can’t we have a happy threesome?
Or you know River and Clara making out. I’m okay with this.
There is a time and a place for love triangles, and after the Amy/Rory/Doctor nonsense I firmly believe that Doctor who is neither the time nor the place.
Exactly. We just got done with a love triangle…. we don’t need another.
Plus that last one was somewhat creepy due to the fact that Amy is his mother-in-law. That’s one of the reasons I’m not a fan of River being the Pond’s daughter. It makes shipping Amy & 11 oh so awkward. And you know pits mother against daughter, which I’m so not down for.
Besides River is a gigantic flirt. I like to think that she and the doctor, while married, have an unusual relationship where they are pretty open.
I was really excited about Clara and River meeting, not for some bitch smack down to happen like shippers would want, but I genuinely think they would be an interesting pair.
But now I’m not so excited.
We’ll see though. That’s just the beginning.
But it’s weird that River seems to not know who Clara is- then again she could be lying. God knows she’s done enough of that.
Ergh, that and like. Honestly am I the only one a little like. Meh on The Doctor/19 year olds? I mean yeah obviously he’s gonna be older than anyone he gets with but what really bothered me with the Doctor/Amy/Rory love triangle was that when it went down Amy just… seemed like an immature 20-something. Which was great for her character, but not.. so great for Amy/Doctor, IMO. I just sort of… pretend the mother-in-law thing… isn’t… or I at least try not to think about that because that just adds an extra layer of weirdness to the whole thing :/ I remember being disappointed about River being Amy’s daughter more because I thought they were going to go somewhere less obvious with it…
And yeah, that’s the other thing, is that I have a lot of trouble imagining River being jealous! But they REALLY seem to be pushing Doctor/Clara… ugh. I guess we can just hope for the best there. I was super excited for the finale but a lot of people seem to see it as an exit for River, which is also really frustrating because we’re still missing a lot of character development from her and a lot of relationship development between her and the Doctor; I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Doctor act comfortable around River, yet she acts like she’s used to him being comfortable around her.
As for her not knowing about Clara… I sort of assumed she wasn’t mentioning her for the Doctor’s sake, spoilers and all. But then I also haven’t seen any trailers for the next episode aside from the teaser at the end of the credits of the last one.
Anyone else upset that it appears that Doctor Who is going to go in the direction that River and Clara are going to form a slight rival over who “gets” the Doctor?
I’m not okay with this. Not at all.
Especially since I think River and Clara would be a brilliant pair.
Why can’t we have a happy threesome?
Or you know River and Clara making out. I’m okay with this.
There is a time and a place for love triangles, and after the Amy/Rory/Doctor nonsense I firmly believe that Doctor who is neither the time nor the place.
